Podcast Hard Truths by Vertex | Series 3 | Episode 3 - Lessons from Indonesia’s Startup Crash and the Road to a Stronger Future — Gary Khoeng

Rahul Thayyalamkandy | 27 Mar 2025

In This Episode

Gary Khoeng, partner at Vertex Ventures Southeast Asia and India, joins host Rahul Thayyalamkandy to explore the Indonesian startup ecosystem. They discuss the recent decline in capital flows, attributing it to global macroeconomic conditions, underperforming IPOs, and election uncertainties. Gary also addresses corporate governance issues and fraudulent activities, highlighting the need for investors to take a more active role. The conversation also covers the ongoing tech talent shortage and potential for AI to bridge the gap. Despite challenges, Gary expresses cautious optimism, pointing to Indonesia's strengths in natural resources and its large consumer base, which present opportunities for fintech, logistics, and consumer-focused startups.

IN THIS EPISODE

00:00 | The Hidden Startup Boom: What’s Happening Behind the Scenes in Indonesia?

01:00 | Capital Exodus or Course Correction? The Truth About Indonesia’s Investment Shift

04:55 | Can Indonesian Startups Escape the Governance Trap? Lessons from Recent Failures

07:16 | Investors vs. Fraud: Are They Watching Closely Enough?

08:33 | From Boom to Bust: Why Some Startups Collapse Overnight

10:32 | Who’s Really in Charge? The Role of Governments, Investors & Founders in Fixing the System

11:38 | Why More Founders Are Skipping the Startup Dream in Indonesia

13:55 | Indonesia’s AI Gamble: Can Tech Talent Gaps Be Closed?

15:24 | Is Uncertainty the Best Time to Invest? Finding Opportunities Amid Chaos

21:43 | Can Indonesia Revive Its Industrial Legacy Through Exports & Manufacturing?

23:28 | Can Indonesia’s Sovereign Fund Replicate Singapore’s Success Story?

25:31 | The Valuation Trap: Are Indonesian Startups Focused on the Wrong Metrics?

28:48 | The Next Big Spark: What Could Ignite Indonesia’s Startup Renaissance?

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Our Guest, Gary Khoeng Bio:

Gary Khoeng joined Vertex Ventures Southeast Asia & India in 2017. He focuses primarily on covering Indonesia’s burgeoning startup ecosystem.

Prior to joining Vertex, Gary was actively investing in early-stage opportunities entrepreneurs at an Indonesian fund across various sectors including e-Commerce, Fintech, Media and SaaS. Prior to that, Gary spent several years at Citigroup in New York, Singapore and Hong Kong. He also joined the Boston Consulting Group in Jakarta, covering the FMCG and Financial Services sector.

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/garykhoeng/?originalSubdomain=id

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Your Host

Rahul Thayyalamkandy is the Director of Communications and Community at Vertex Ventures Southeast Asia and India. Before joining Vertex, Rahul served as a Product Manager at BLOCK71, an incubator and joint venture of NUS Enterprise and Singtel Innov8, where he developed scalable services for portfolio startups and designed mentorship programs. He also gained experience as a Summer Associate at Cocoon Capital, working with the Managing Partner on investment deals.

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